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John C. Lilly

she ran like mad and wouldn’t go near him or any humans. It was just awful. So when we got her she was staying away from us with the other dolphins. So I gave her LSD and she climbed all over us. It was marvelous.

Boy, I’ve been trying to stop talking about dolphins. I was enslaved by them for twenty years and now I’m trying to avoid them for a while. But I can’t. People like you come out and remind me of them.

RMN: That’s wonderful. Okay, let’s get back to people. Could you tell us, in what ways you think the exploration and mapping of the human psyche can help to improve the quality of people’s lives and what about people with mental disorders?

JOHN: Do you know Thomas Szasz’s

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