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people’s mystical experiences throughout history.

Dean: Right. So the key is, how do we focus on one thing versus everything? Or one thing versus another? Right now we have a hand-waving argument which says that how you exclude the universe in favor of the pork chop in the box is to do the same thing you do in a cocktail party to pay attention to the one person you’re talking to, as opposed to everyone else in the crowd–you internally focus your attention.
So we have brain mechanisms in place that allow us to focus on one thing versus the another. It may be that this process is no different in a cocktail party context than it is for deciding to focus on what object we’re going to put in the box tomorrow. Some people are extremely good at this focusing of attention, and those are the ones we call really good psychics.

David: That’s an interesting approach, to turn everything on it’s head.

Dean: Right. In fact, we were just discussing this book–The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot–and we were saying that even if no one ever heard about psychic phenomena, that you’d expect it to exist just by reading about David Bohm’s holographic model of the universe. Bohm could have said –from a purely physics point of view–that if his holographic model was correct, then what we should expect is that every so often people would have perceptions of things that are happening somewhere or somewhen else. His prediction would have led to experiments, which would have discovered psychic phenomena, and then it wouldn’t be so surprising. But you see there’s this long lore that is tied up with religion and mysticism, which science has kept at arm’s length. And that’s why mainstream science regards the evidence for psi with such a jaundiced eye.

David: What are some of the practical applications of parapsychological research?

Dean: Well, realistically we don’t know. Any time science stumbles across some new understanding of the world it typically gets spun out into a few novel applications at the time when the invention or the discovery was made. But no one had any idea what would happen down the line. Could Madame Curie have imagined that her experiments with radium would lead to the atomic bomb, or that atomic energy would some day drive mega-watt electrical generation plants, or drive starships to other galaxies?  I doubt it. I mean, it’s very difficult to know how a new discovery will be used, or its political, societal or environmental consequences. So the easiest, and maybe the only way to answer your question now is to say what is psi being used for already. It’s being used for medical diagnosis, for detective work, for making better decisions, to enhance psychotherapy, a lot more than people probably know. I mean, privately psychotherapists sometimes will admit that they use this stuff.

David: Really, what have you heard?

Dean: I’ve heard stories about an issue that a patient is currently dealing with showing up in the therapists dream. Or the patient will have a dream about something that’s going on in the therapist’s life. Sometimes it can be mundane, but oftentimes it’s symbolic of whatever the underlying therapeutic issue is, and it may not have come out in therapy yet. As you can imagine, if you’re very intimate with somebody for months, and trying to discover what’s really going on underneath the surface, then that person gets in your head. You can’t avoid that person being in your head, especially from a therapist’s point of view where you’re trying to dig something out, and the person is resisting the dig.

You have very high motivation, probably on both sides, to get it out, even though the patient may not know that. So if the therapist has psychic access to other elements of that person’s life, the dream state is one place where it may appear. Sometimes a therapist will just get an intuitive hit on what the problem is, and thinking aloud might say, oh you’re worried about such and such. And then the client will say, how in the world did you know that? Because it’s something that never came up before, and the therapist says I don’t know, it was obvious, or it just came to me or something.
You see, in this town (Silicon Valley) we have all kinds of psychic stuff going on all over the place, probably more so than in Las Vegas. You normally think of as Las Vegas as the town built on wishes, and it is in one sense. It’s psychically numinous. But this town is quite different. Silicon Valley is also built on wishes, visions and dreams, but it’s different because in Las Vegas the wishes are relatively passive. You wait around hoping that you’ll get something for free. But in Silicon Valley an enormous amount of effort

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