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Candace B. Pert

another area to study. There’s so many interesting things that aren’t in psychic science that I’m like excited about that I wouldn’t be so interested in that. But, in terms of psychic phenomena, I’d be interested in the mechanism. I mean, it’s spooky. Nothing springs to mind at the moment, but I’ve experienced these things myself, and I’ve had so many amazing things happen that I have no doubt. But I am way less interested in proving that there is such a thing statistically then I am in trying to understand the mechanism by which it happens. Because I assume that stuff happens. I’ve experienced it.

David:   In your book you mentioned once saying a prayer over an experiment, which was something that early alchemists actually did, believing that it could have an effect on the outcome. British biologist Rupert Sheldrake has suggested that scientific researchers might want to consider always doing double-blind experiments–not just in psychology and medical research, but also in hard science fields like physics and chemistry–to control for the possibility that a researcher’s intention may be subtly influencing the outcome of the experiment. Do you think that our beliefs and intentions could possibly effect the outcome of experiments in ways that are not currently recognized or understood by conventional science?

Candace: Rupert is one of the main reasons I got this crazy dog that’s changed my life. Yeah, I think there’s work on that. You might want to speak to Bill Tiller. I think that’s interesting. That’s possible. But once again, what do I want to say? I mean, there is just a whole eerie quality. It makes me nervous, because I’ve had a career as a straight scientist, but it’s pretty astounding. It gets to be very philosophical, and I hated philosophy. It was the only course I ever flunked in my life. So I get nervous about all this. But like the opiate receptor–which has now been renamed the opioid receptor–did I discover it? Or did I invent it? It’s like, if you believe in something enough, maybe somehow you can organize reality around it. Do you know what I mean? 

David:   I wonder about that a lot actually. It certainly appears that way sometimes.

Candace: Yeah. Do I believe the concept? There’s something going on that’s pretty weird. I mean, my mind is still boggled on the peptide T front. We just came from the NIH, where we saw talks relevant to HIV. At the time peptide T was invented, no one ever heard of the word chemokine. The word had not been coined yet. This is a class of peptides that are found in both the brain and the immune system. Their role in how cells move and divide and survive had not yet been done, and it wouldn’t be done for ten more years. And just today we heard it again. Now it turned out five years ago that HIV uses the receptors for this class of peptides, and every company is now saying that the best thing to target is the chemokine receptor, and specifically the type of chemokine receptor, which is called CCR-5. Now, it turns out, not only does peptide T target this, but it targets this exact receptor. Not just chemokine receptors in general, the one that everyone’s trying to make a drug for. Now come on, is that weird or what? To me, that is the ultimate, and in some ways peptide T’s discovery is the ultimate psychic phenomena, because it’s just truly unbelievable.

Now it’s starting to have these applications in other fields as well. So its not just in AIDS. I mean it’s huge. And how did this all happen? It’s so strange the way it came to be invented. So when you pose that question–yeah, there was something where I was really really wanting to make a discovery, to help people with AIDS, at the time the discovery was made. So I don’t know what that state of mind of is, where you’re really in some Godlike mental state, where your consciousness is going everywhere and coming from everywhere. I’ve written about it. I had hiked up this crater in Maui and come down it, and it was pretty astounding. I was in some very out there state of mind when I had the idea for how to proceed, and it’s almost twenty years years before what people are trying to do now. It stills blows me away.

David:   What do you think happens to consciousness after death?

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